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One case
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This is one case. Now I am willing to give some people who put great effort into putting on and managing a contest a lot of credit for effort. And this is one case which is being disputed. I would be more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Now if there ended up being 10+ or more cases of questionable changes, then I think a fact based discussion would be in order. In part because of what is mentioned here. But also if there are that many problems ---- why?
Posted by
kb9lgs
on October 1, 2021
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parsonsdavidkait
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parsonsdavidkait
Posted by
parsonsdavidkait
on October 3, 2019
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RDXC
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K3BU for President! Also Propagation?
Posted by
k2pm
on November 17, 2018
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respect rules!
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The contests committees should exclude all
the people that use irregular power. Before,
there were spare contest teams using
professional amps with 5- 10- 15 kw. Now
there are lot of contester using the 4kw amps
(OM Power).
Please stop pirate powers on qro or low power
categories.
Posted by
IK4EWX
on December 26, 2017
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respect rules!
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Posted by
IK4EWX
on December 26, 2017
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Dont know
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You would need accurate time stamped data from multiple RBN sites all with synchronized clocks , to prove this satisfactorily . If SNR goes up the same amount at all sites at the exact same time then its most likely due to pwr increase. taking data on a nearby station at the same sites would help to rule out propagation anomally.
Posted by
ae5gt
on October 11, 2017
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The answer is in the rules
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In the rules for RDXC 2016, as well as in
the the rules for 2017, point 16.1 says:
16.1 RDXC Contest Committee decisions are
final.
My dear Amateur Radio friends. This is the
deal. The Contest Committee of RDXC is
calling the shots. If You like it, You
enter the contest. If You do not like it,
You do not enter the contest.
Being in a Contest Committee means a lot of
unpaid work meaning that You have to be
quite enthusiastic about it. Surely the
Contest Committe would not on purpose harm
the contest. If they take drastic measures,
they must themselves believe, that it was
necessary.
However a Contest Committe consists of
ordinary people, that can make mistakes.
They could have made the right or wrong
decision, but they did not do it for fun.
However somebody has to decide and in this
case the RDXC Contest Committee had to do
the decision.
If I were a member of the P3F, I would take
special measures to prove in the next RDXC,
that the team is clean. I would carry out
all amps from the shack, ask inpartial
observers to supervise the entire contest
an have web linked cameras on the power
meters during the entire contest.
Afterwards RBN reports could be analyzed.
If the these readings were to be the same
as in 2016, the team would have made a
point.
Lastly one should not forget, that
contesting is only a hobby or radio sport
if You so like. It is not a matter of life
and death. Contesting is supposed to be
jolly good, great fun!
73 de SM5SIC Göran, SM5S in contest.
Posted by
SM5SIC
on March 15, 2017
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YES
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The prop on 40, 80 and 160 changes a lot. Just tonight I was working some DX on 40 and 80. There were times the band would change and the DX was in the noise. At other times the DX police couldn't cover them up. It strange, it's sort of like Faraday rotation moon bounce. It was before I read this but thinking back the changes in propitiation was around 5 to 10 minutes.
Posted by
n5kda
on March 11, 2017
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From the RBN site
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An important note on interpreting the SNR data
the RBN reports SNR rather than absolute signal strength, because every RBN station's antennas and receiving environment are different. In addition, QSB can affect the reported SNR a great deal, even with only a few seconds between spots. These graphs should be read as a whole, as an indicator of comparative signal strengths over time, rather than on the basis of any single pair of data points.
Posted by
n5kda
on March 11, 2017
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YES
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The prop on 40, 80 and 160 changes a lot. Just tonight I was working some DX on 40 and 80. There were times the band would change and the DX was in the noise. At other times the DX police couldn't cover them up. It strange, it's sort of like Faraday rotation moon bounce. It was before I read this but thinking back the changes in propitiation was around 5 to 10 minutes.
Posted by
n5kda
on March 11, 2017
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squealing pigs
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> If those 30 guys were to find themselves re-classified
or DQ'd they would be squealing louder than stuck pigs.
Hilarious! P3F's supporters call him a squealing pig.
Posted by
la4vkk
on November 21, 2016
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RDXC
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Sadly the RDXC adjudication process has no credibility whatsoever and therefore the results from the 2016 contest should NOT count for WRTC qualification.
Posted by
G3WW
on October 10, 2016
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RDXC
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"V chuzhoy monastyr so svoim ustavom nelzya!"
Resheniya sudebnoy komissii okonchatelny.
Posted by
LZ1FJ
on October 10, 2016
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Survey Surprise.
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After completing the survey just now I am amazed to see there are 30 guys who have answered 'No'
Those guys are obviously not cheaters but support taking a hard line with suspects, but what in their minds constitutes fair play when evidence is insufficient as is clearly the case in the P3F decision by RDXC?.
If those 30 guys were to find themselves re-classified or DQ'd they would be squealing louder than stuck pigs. Imagine yourselves in the other guys shoes were it yourself being labelled a cheat without convincing evidence to back up the charge.
Posted by
g4odv
on October 10, 2016
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Shame on RDXC
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RDXC's actions on P3F are without technical
merit or basis, and obviously prejudicial in
favor of another competitor. Use of RBN data to
support allegations of power cheating would
require knowledge of what transmitting antennas
were in use at specific times at all stations
being compared, receiving antennas at reporting
stations, and the averaging a very large number
of spots WITH that knowledge.
Posted by
k9yc
on October 10, 2016
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RDXC OUT
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Why is Russian contest playing any part in an
AMERICAN competition is beyond me. I don't care if P3F
cheated or not. Russians can not be trusted with
anything, let alone running a contest. But letting them
influence an American competition is just plain stupid.
Posted by
K7USA
on October 10, 2016
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Shame on RDXC
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RDXC just disqualified themselves from running contest. Interpreting directional antennas signal levels change as "cheating" by power is ridiculous and speaks of ignorance of RDXC sponsors and damage to reputation of veteran contester.
Quo Vadis Contesting?
Posted by
K3BU
on October 10, 2016
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Bad for Contesting
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The way the RDXC is run is bad for contesting. Discouraging working casuals and "fishy" judging with conflicts of interest. It should be noted that they have not provided even privately to the accused a reasonable case for this action.
When the inventors of RBN state that the system is not usable in the way they are using it, and they ignore it, it speaks volumes as to whats really going on.
Posted by
N1UR
on October 10, 2016
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No
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We do not need RDXC results in WRTC. Why is it there in
the first place?
Posted by
N1USA
on October 10, 2016
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Yes
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There is no way that you can determine output power from RBN data. NONE. Even less to make a statement that it was being done 10 minutes here or there.
Posted by
W0MU
on October 9, 2016
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NO
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P3F should be DQ!
Finally they try stop CHEATER
Posted by
n2tta
on October 9, 2016
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